i will say this about john mccain -- his 2000 campaign, when he ran for president, is the most memorable campaign. of any that i ever covered or have been around -- we will never see it again. here he was, facing george w. bush, who had the republican party backing him, all the money, and john mccain win out and held 114 town meetings. he stayed though it -- and stayed there into every question answered. you see the lightbulb go on -- when will we get patient's bill of rights? he said, we will not get it as long as the party is owned by insurance lawyer -- insurance companies and the democrats are owned by trial lawyers. it was refreshing candor. he was totally open to the press. there was a candor and an openness and a welcome this that nobody had seen before and no one has certainly seen since. >> you saw mo udall -- ira member him being tremendously funny -- i remember him being tremendously funny. how long was he in that hospital for? he was not able to talk, was he? >> no. mccain used to read to him. it was a terrible, terrible death, from a long illness. debilitating. it was so sad